Notes from  VTC

23 June:  1700 CA, 1900 WI, 2000 DC;  24 June: 0800 Taiwan

Dial in phone number is 858-678-5580

 

 

PRESENT:

Summary of Meeting

NTL - Trout Lake Station: Tim Kratz, Matt Van de Bogert, Tim Meinke

NTL – Center for Limnology: Paul Hanson, Dave Balsiger

SDSC: Longjiang Ding,

TFRI: Hen-biau King, Alan Lai, Chiao-Ping (Biogeochemist from Germany)

NCHC: Grace Hong, Fang-Pang Lin, Julian Chen, Hsui-mei Chou

Academia Sinica: Charles Chiu

 

 

 

1.      Matt’s trip (Matt, Charles, Chiao-Ping ,Tim)

a.       Logistics for first week’s travel

b.      Equipment and supplies (what Matt will bring, what he will need in Taiwan)

c.       Laboratory analyses (what variables, which laboratory)

Charles indicates that all analyses that Matt wants to do can be done in the labs at AS.  Matt and Charles will confer via email about which specific supplies (filters, filter holders, bottles, preservatives, reagents, etc.) Charles will be able to supply and which Matt will need to bring.  Matt and Charles will cc Chiao-Ping on these emails.

 

Chiao-Ping asked about filtering procedures.  UW usually filters directly in field.  AS usually filters back at AS field station.  Matt and Charles will work out details on this.

 

Hen Biau raised issue of cross lab QA/AC checks.  Tim’s first reaction was that this was not necessary for the purposes of this project. 

d.      Travel arrangements for weekly visits to YYL

 

Charles indicated that a car will go from AS to YYL on Mondays and Thursdays.  Matt will stay at AS field station Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday nights unless other rides are available.

e.       Housing while in Taiwan

Reservations have been made at AS. (TFRI – Guest rooms also available)

 

 

2.      Concerns about web site (Longjiang, Peter)

a.       What we are doing?

-         Developing tools for graphics for data

-         We do need scalable, service based solution, end-to-end from sensor to user. (Need data infrastructure).

 

-         Have build web services for NTL oracle database.

-         Will need web services (rather than grid services) and add grid security later.

-         Data format: need to coordinate with scientists to a limited number of data formats

-         Need portal (to share resources – for end user, to manage daily tasks, needs a lot of effort). In a year or two there will be open source portal.

 

b.      Responding to comments at last vtc

-         Web services a technique, not an end goal

-         Have put in business logic, can use that logic later on

-         Will send a longer response to group

 

 

3.      Planning for NSF/NSC meeting July 19 in Washington (Hen-Biau, Peter, Fang-Pang, Tim)

a.       What do we collectively want to say? And how much time do we have.

                                                                           i.      Lake Project - Tim

                                                                         ii.      Ecogrid technology (Fang-Pang)

                                                                        iii.      LTER network (global and local)

                                                                       iv.      Collaborations (future developed)

                                                                         v.      Other resources??? (Perhaps a proposal to work on other issues complementary to BDI proposal)

 

Bill’s comments

 

Presentations (15 to 20 minutes) – What is punch line: No-one has done this before, data integrated, allowed for greater collaborations. Lake Metabolism –Unique Project, we know the problem.

-         Global Cyberinfrastructure (PRAGMA – status report , set stages, PRIME)

o       Will invite NSF DD and Program Officer – future visions

o       Networking, Sensor, Security Issues

o       Future of Taiwan’s network, linkages to Starlight (need to bring most update information – keep people abreast of latest developments)

-         NEON (Future)

o       Hen-biau: Global vision for ecology  - doing research (international too static)

§         Fang-Pang Lin (Ecogrid), Tim Kratz Sensor, Sensornet project – Lake metabolism

o       Liz Blood, Penny Firth, Henry Gholz

-         Educational technologies

-         COSMIC

-         Earthquake sensor net

-         Summer Institute

 

Fang-Pang and Whey-Fone (to meet with NSF program staff on Friday)

 

 

b.      Whom to meet with at NSF either on 19 July or 20 July morning 

                                                                           i.      Liz Blood

                                                                         ii.      Stinger Guala

                                                                        iii.      Engineering person on sensors?

                                                                       iv.      Kevin Thompson (He funds the folks in Indiana and funds PRAGMA)

                                                                         v.      Others?

 

Under others you might add:

 - Henry Gholz

 - Christine French

 - European INT person

 

 - Sylvia Spengler (CISE - Data Integration)

 - Maria Zemankova (CISE - Databases)

c.       Logistics

                                                                           i.      Where are we staying?

                                                                         ii.      Where is the conference?

 

4.      Brief update on severity of early June typhoon at YYL; did it miss YYL? (Alan?, others?)

 

COMMENTS: Typhoon missed island

There did not seem to be much wind from sensors

 

 

5.      Update on NSF Biological Databases proposal preparation (Peter/Barbara/Tony/Paul/Tim)

 

a.       Letter from Hen-biau (promote as model of IT development and collaboration)

b.      Letter from Fang-Pang (will test what we develop, will do some development)

No discussion on these points since Peter had to leave. In subsequent e-mail Fang-Pang agreed to wording of testing and seeking support for development. (this is a paraphrase)

 

6.      Discussions with colleagues from China and Finland about joining network (Tim, Bill)

 

Lauri Arvola – has three lakes

Part of a CLIME (UK, EU) – could hook into already existing network.

 

Visit with NSF program officer for Europe.

 

7.      Other topics?

 

8.      Next vtc:  13-14 July 1700(CA), 1900 (WI), 2000 (DC); 0800 Taiwan